04.05.2008

VanceS contributed 128 messages, 11 emotes during 116 minutes. 2008.05.04 05:09:26 Login Room: VirtualVance VanceS joined the room. VanceS left the room. Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. ClaireB: I guess so. well, it is early yet, and I'm sure that others will com VanceS saunters in ClaireB: speak of the devil DennisOl: Vance! ClaireB: I was just telling dennis that others will show up soon DennisOl: Yes, you were right. ClaireB hugs vance ClaireB: how is the babe, vance? VanceS hugs and shakes hands bows etc as appropriate DennisOl: And what's the baby's name? VanceS: ah that baby VanceS: her name is Gwen ClaireB: noisy, eh? DennisOl: Gwen. Very nice name. VanceS: It's not noisy in bobo and bibi's bedroom ClaireB: hmm, gwen and glenn ClaireB: so you have become bobo? VanceS: Gwen, Glenn, and Gulya DennisOl: G-g-g-gosh! VanceS: yeah, that's Uzbek for grandfathter ClaireB: is gulya pronounced like julia? VanceS: hard g DennisOl: What's grandmother? VanceS: Bibi ClaireB: bibi DennisOl: Ah, of course. VanceS :-) VanceS: How's Dennis? DennisOl: He's fine . . . and almost awake. VanceS: better get him some coffee DennisOl: He has some . . . and he's still just almost awake. ClaireB: how's vance? VanceS: I've been thinking about WiAOC VanceS: 2009 DennisOl: I've been thinking about that, too. VanceS: might start it off with a wiki and a tweet DennisOl: Good ideas. ClaireB: what is the time frame? VanceS: I have written Jeff but no reply yet VanceS: actually I asked Jeff (Lebow) exactly that VanceS: time frames to avoid, gravitate towards VanceS: when would be convenient for you VanceS: about now is convenient for me actually DennisOl: Time frames to avoid: Beginning of semesters, TESOL week, middle of spring break, summer. ClaireB: are you back at work now? VanceS: yeah, I'm back at work, but end of year at this time is probably the slowest ever for us DennisOl: About now might not be so good for many folks in the U.S.: end of the semester (finals, etc.). VanceS: slow being something approaching warp speed but not so warped taht you can't think about something else occasionaly DennisOl: A week or two later would be better. MoiraH joined the room. ClaireB: true. we finished last week, but many folks are still doing exams this week DennisOl: Moira! Hugs! MoiraH: Hi all ClaireB: hi moira! ClaireB hugs moira MoiraH: hugs to you too :-) DennisOl hugs Moira, too. VanceS: Hi Moira DennisOl: I liked your photos of NY, M. RickRo: yawns, Hi! VanceS: before exam period good for folks in that situation yu think? DennisOl: Rick! MoiraH: and I loved yor roses Dennis :-) ClaireB: hi rick! VanceS: Hey Rick, looked foryou last wednesday DennisOl: I'm glad, Moira. ClaireB: you were here before, rick, but not here RickRo: I had quite the experience with an Internet crash.... RickRo: Had to do my first presentation offline... VanceS: the whole internet? DennisOl: Wow! RickRo: The second had serious firewall restrictions... RickRo: My connection at the school anyway... MoiraH: thanks Dennis - I eventually managed to upload a video of some guys in Central Park - took ages to upload DennisOl: I'm not sure whether I've seen that one, M. VanceS: how'd they go Rick, considering Internet was useless where you were RickRo: Without any setup time scheduled, I had expected problems..... MoiraH left the room (signed off). RickRo: It went really well. I had screen shots galore just in case. They were very interested and asked very pointed questions, which I love DennisOl: I guess it's a good idea to download sites as much as possible and to play things from a CD or disk. RickRo: nods DennisOl: But it sounds as if the presentation was still a success. VanceS: give us an example of one of the best pointed questions RickRo: one of the questions: I don't have time for anythink extra in class as it is; why should I bother? DennisOl: And your response? ClaireB: yeah, people always bring up the issue of time RickRo: you shouldn't if it doesn't help you meet your teaching objectives/goals... DennisOl: Interesting. VanceS: because you want to improve the situation that you and your students are in, not perpetuate it ?? RickRo: but if you see the learning value, consider having students help out, assigining some work after class, etc. ClaireB: good one, vance! DennisOl: because you want to use a medium that students are already involved in??? DennisOl: Good response, Rick! ClaireB: but it might be a good thing to do even if it **doesn't** help meet goals, just to liven things up! VanceS: I also tell them it will come, so when it does come, do you want to control it, or someone else? MoiraH joined the room. RickRo: yep, they all had students and kids who are in various environments and communicating with others every day DennisOl: WB, M! MoiraH: Back again VanceS: yes, and work after class, extra stuff to compliment the class, as Rick says ClaireB: complement, not compliment ClaireB: gimme a break VanceS: ahem RickRo: compleiment DennisOl: hee hee hee VanceS: was that a stickle? ClaireB: and I thought you were and english teacher ClaireB: an english teacher RickRo: ingrish teacher VanceS . o O ( and one who wields a stickle would be a ... ) ClaireB: what is a stickle ClaireB: got it VanceS: snap ClaireB: I'm going to vegas next week, babeeee MoiraH: lucky you! RickRo: you aren't supposed to tell.... VanceS: alright RickRo: be sure to file a report and film everything for utube.... VanceS: cheap thrills (unless you lose it gambling) ClaireB: just for a conference http://www.runrevlive.com/ MoiraH: I watch it on the tele now ;-) ClaireB: non-casino hotel; i have no interest in gambling RickRo: sure you are, Claire. We believe you. RickRo: I'll be you on it..... NergizK joined the room. ClaireB: it's a geek conference RickRo: hey Nergiz! MoiraH: Hi Nergiz RickRo: geeks know the odds ClaireB: hi nergiz ClaireB hugs nergiz DennisOl: Nergiz! ClaireB: ah, so nice to get some mac users in here! NergizK: Hi everybody NergizK laughs NergizK: I love my Mac :-) VanceS: Hi Nergiz ClaireB: smart woman NergizK hugs Claire ClaireB: seriously, i don't plan to go near the casinos MoiraH: ;-) ;-) ;-) VanceS: casinos can be fun to go and watch the people DennisOl: Smart move, Claire! NergizK: Are you travelling again Claire? VanceS: also, in Vegas, quite interesting VanceS: the opulence ClaireB: yes, i was just saying that I'm going to las vegas next week VanceS: cheap, they try to get people drunk ClaireB: i have never been there before or really wanted to go there RickRo: I hear the food isn't cheap anymore.... NergizK: Is there a teacher's conference there? :-D VanceS: you really should go check out the strip VanceS: a must see ClaireB: it is the revolution conference http://www.runrevlive.com/ MoiraH: I've never been there and not too sure whether I'd want ot, unless being paid for it of course ;-) ClaireB: 2 of my former grad students are there and they will take me out for dinner, so I'll ask them to drive me by the strip VanceS: you've got to get out and walk around ClaireB: food seems to be fairly expensive there now VanceS: it's boggling ClaireB: no, I'll be in the conference geeking out VanceS: I don't know, I stopped in on my way to California in 1995 NergizK: The only reason I'd go there would be to obsesrve people (like Vance said) MoiraH: in what way Vance? VanceS: as it seemed to operate back then, it was set up to impress and provide cheap opulence to attract everyday americans VanceS: and get their money VanceS: kind of like a lot of things in america NergizK cheking out runtime ClaireB: to me it just seems like a sad game NergizK: I agree, Claire. DennisOl: Seems the same to me, Claire. VanceS: skiing near the nevada border VanceS: with taho and reno ClaireB: in my hometown of shreveport, la, they put in riverboat gambling, and people have lost their houses, cars, etc VanceS: these did not match vegas in interest MoiraH: Gambling? No, I don't think it's a sad game, it depends on what you're playing. My husband is a gambler and I love watching them paly for hours, but it is bertter to watch when he's winning ;-) VanceS: wow ClaireB: i don't want to interfere with other folks' "pleasure" -- I just don't want to participate MoiraH: I don't play either - I wouldn't know how, despite watching others VanceS: yeah, they have nice kindergartens in some of theme so the parents can drop off the kids and stay gone for hours NergizK: It's like alcohol. They say you are an alcoholic with the first sip becaue nobody knows whether they can control themselves VanceS: I'm not suggesting you support it or participate NergizK: Are we somehow off topic :-D VanceS: but when in vegas, it's worth seeing ClaireB: sorry i brought it up :-) VanceS: haha VanceS: the topic was runtime revolution developers conference ClaireB: but the conference will be interesting, and I won't be the only person there from education NergizK is laughing MoiraH: this is getting quite cultural - my husband belongs (or belonged as he does it less and less) to the group of French casino players which is very sophisticated - 8In England, this has all changed and it's rough and horrible - nothing like in the days of the Playboy Bunnies ClaireB: I agree with you, moira, that casinos can be interesting and civilized -- I remember seeing them in portugal in the 1960s RickRo: yes the bunnies weren't all that rough or horrible.... NergizK: This is getting cultural.... I fore sure don't miss the Playboy bunnies hi hi MoiraH: so I suppose, depending upon where and what you play in Las Vegas, it will be different ClaireB: i don't know -- the conference will be at a non-casino hotel VanceS: certainly is hard to herd cats to topic RickRo: There is that new movie about counting cards; you can still make your millions, clarie.... NergizK: Whats the conference all about anyway? RickRo: Speaking of teaching with online resources.... ClaireB: so don't even try to herd the cats MoiraH: Nergiz, did you ever go to the Playboy Club? I used to in London and it was a very sophisticated club for business people at the time PhilB is back ClaireB: conference is about the software Runtime revolution, which is my favorite development tool PhilB: G'day, Vance & co. Good to see y'all. DennisOl: Hi, Phil. ClaireB: http://www.runrev.com/ NergizK: No, Moira, I didn't. I'm really not into that VanceS: howdy Phil NergizK: I only saw the casino of Monte Carlo from the outside :-) ClaireB: hi phil NergizK: Hi Phil PhilB: Good to see WebHEads is still going strong after all this time! MoiraH: Nergiz, it wasn't just about gambling (it doesn't exist any more). It was a meeting point for business meetings at the time. Nothing sordid. VanceS: ah, and you too VanceS: what have you been up to? PhilB: Bonjour, Nergiz, Claire, Rick, Moira and Dennis. NergizK: All the conference participants get a free copy of the software ... MoiraH: Hi Phil NergizK: Bonjour Phil, are you in France? PhilB: I just got back from an EdTech conference in Corsica. Fun stuff, demoed the e-Beam portable EWB. VanceS: who remembers Phil Benz, raise your hand DennisOl: The software is a great plus, Claire. VanceS raises hand ClaireB raises hand PhilB: Yes, I am near Châteauroux, 2 hours SW of Paris. MoiraH: tell us about the e-beam? MoiraH: I'm in Fontainebleau :-) PhilB: Let's see... NergizK: How nice, NergizK: Nice to meet you Phil PhilB: HEre is my blog entry about the e6beam: http://e-twinning.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-week-with-ewb-ebeamspeechi.html NergizK: Yes, I'm also interested in teh e-beam NergizK: I hear different things NergizK: Thanks PhilB: e-Beam, even. And here is the US manufacturer: http://www.e-beam.com/ PhilB: I was just doing up a new article on using the e-Beam with powerpoint presentations, webpages and their multipage whiteboard organiser, scrapbook. NergizK: I've once sean it in action at a seminar. NergizK: seen PhilB: Anyway, I've just been using it for a little over 2 months, it's very handy. And contrary to other EWBs, it's portable. NergizK: And it's much cheaper PhilB: Dennis, what software were you talking about with Claire? VanceS: I'm learning a lot tonight VanceS: I never heard about e-beam or runtime revolution NergizK: I don't know what runtime is either PhilB: Some folks have started using a "wii" console as an electronic whiteboard tool. Works fine, though I understand there are some legal issues with using it that way. DennisOl: Is E-beam a brand name for electronic whiteboards, Phil? MoiraH: brb PhilB: Dennis, e-Beam is one brand of portable electronic whiteboards. See the diagram at the top of this page:http://e-twinning.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-week-with-ewb-ebeamspeechi.html ClaireB: we were talking about runtime revolution, usually just called revolution DennisOl: Phil: Software from the Runtime Developers Conference in Las Vegas. ClaireB: nergiz, a runtime version of software is the version that people use to run it VanceS: what does revolution do? DennisOl: Yes, I saw your blog post, Phil. ClaireB: as opposed to the development version, that people use to develop it ClaireB: it does just about anything you want it to do PhilB: With the e-Beam, I just slap that little triangular widget onto the corner of a normal whiteboard, or onto a plain ordinary wall, set up my videoprojector and computer, and I'm in remote projection heaven. ClaireB: very useful to incorporate multimedia in educational applications NergizK: Ah, I see. Thanks, Claire. Didn't know that NergizK: Sounds like a great software, then ClaireB: i maintain a website with templates for language learning: http://www.edvista.com/claire/rev/templates/templates.html ClaireB: to make it easier for teachers to get started PhilB: Ooooh, Runtime revolution is development software. Sounds... very energetic. VanceS listens to both conversations ClaireB: the e=beam sounds very cool PhilB: Claire, of course, it's only as cool as what you can figure out to do with it. ClaireB: revollution is similar to hypercard and toolbook, but it is cross-platform NergizK: There is another portable EWB... name starting with "m".. Trying to remember VanceS: is it like macromedia development tools? ClaireB: exactly phil, which is why i do a lot of workshops with it ClaireB: yes, but far easier than director or flash VanceS: mac only? PhilB: Nergiz, yes, I've seen that one, the detector is a collapsible bar thingy that you place along the side of the projection area. ClaireB: no, cross-platform. DennisOl: Very interesting website, Claire. ClaireB: i can make stuff on my mac and export it to pc and vice versa PhilB: YEs, Claire, looks like you've invested a lot of time in Runtiome revolution. ClaireB: here is my general site for language learning with rev: http://www.edvista.com/claire/rev/index.html ClaireB: actually, revolution is much more popular in europe than it is in the US VanceS: I see the word stacks ClaireB: a stack is just a file VanceS: like in hypercard? ClaireB: yes DennisOl: I'll be back in a few minutes . . . . ClaireB: very similar to hypercard and toolbook, but much better than either because it does a lot more NergizK: In simple terms... Why would I need this software as a teacher? ClaireB: I don't know. revolution has many, many uses VanceS: do you need to have revolution installed to run these stacks? NergizK: Hm ClaireB: in our lab we use it a lot to have students record their voices. the audio files are sent to the server NergizK is contemplating NelbaQ joined the room. PhilB: Personally, I've been trying to get away from developing new software tools, and moving closer towards getting the tools I've got to work for me (blogs, spip and now moodle) NelbaQ: Morning, everybody!!! VanceS hugs nelba PhilB: Bonjour, Nelba ClaireB: no, not at all. you need revoltuion only for dvelopment. then you make a runtime (standalone) version for the users. you are allowed to make as many standalone copies as youlike ClaireB: hi nelba! NergizK: Hi Nelba NergizK: Phil, I think along the same lines NelbaQ: Hello!!! VanceS: the file in the package I opened has a .rev extensin NelbaQ: great to see you :) NergizK: But probably only because I don't know better VanceS: I think there is merit in both approaches ClaireB: the .rev file is a stack. the standalone versions have .exe VanceS: probably have to extract it then ClaireB: the whole purpose of the templates is for students and teachers to adapt them ClaireB: no, you don't have to extract them, but you'd need to download a 30-day trial in order to use them VanceS: Macromedia is pricey, what about revolution? ClaireB: various versions; the cheapest is $49 fcr the development version NelbaQ: sorry, but what are you talking about? ClaireB: runtime revolution http://www.edvista.com/claire/rev/index.html#tools NelbaQ left the room (signed off). NelbaQ joined the room. ClaireB: but there are educational discounts, etc. NelbaQ left the room (signed off). NergizK needs a coffee... VanceS: ok, now what about e-beam ClaireB: i suppose that my templates would be more accessible if I uploaded standalone versions so that people could see immediately lwhat they are VanceS: from someone who says he wants to get his blogs and wikis working VanceS: tell us about e-beam? VanceS listening to Claire too :-) PhilB: back PhilB: Now, what about e-Beam? It's very similar to other EWBs, like Smart or Promethean, although... PhilB: although the tool polette is ultra-simlified, which is a good mark for trying to get non-techie colleagues to use it. PhilB: the tool palette, even. PhilB: When I annotate powerpoint presentations, it records the annotations directly into the file... NergizK: The other EwB is mimio: http://www.mimio.com/ PhilB: And I can export webpage views, with whatever is there, flash animations, whatever, with my annotations over the top. PhilB: Yes, I've heard of mimio. Very similar, though I've never used one, so I don't know about their toolbar. VanceS: so you have to purchase this e-beam or mimeo BeyzaY joined the room. MoiraH: back MoiraH: Hi Beyza BeyzaY: hi Moira,hi all ClaireB: can students use ebeam or mimio lessons for independent study, or are they just for classroom use? NergizK: Yes, Vance. And then you can turn any white wall or board into an IWB/EWB ClaireB: hi beyza PhilB: IIRC, e-Beam weighs in at just under $1000 USD (some 700+ euros), although the French distributor set up a ten-day free trial offer. DennisOl: Beyza! NergizK: I think it's great if you give seminars in different places NergizK: or don't have the money for the real ones NergizK: Hi Beyza PhilB: Claire, I'm not sure why you would want an EWB for individual study. Better to have a tablet PC. VanceS: oh, I see, simplified EWBs ... how much are they? BeyzaY: so are we talking about whiteboards today? VanceS: oh, sorry , saw it just now VanceS: how bulky is an e-beam NergizK: Very affordable compared to non-portable ones PhilB: The "Scrapbook" software packaged with the e-Beam portable EWB appears to have distance learning applications built in, but I haven't tried them yet. PhilB: Vance, it's no more bulky than an average paperback book. MoiraH: sounds interesting - looking forward to you trying it out and giving feedback :-) PhilB: Yes, I should really be getting back to finishing this article on the e-Beam I told myself I would finish this afternoon, anyway. It's great to run into all you WebHeads again!! DennisOl: E-Beam: DennisOl: http://www.e-beam.com/ VanceS: can you get an ewh for say $40? NinaTL joined the room. DennisOl: Nina! Hugs! NinaTL: Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone! MoiraH HUGS Nina PhilB: Vance, apparently, the "wii" game console can be converted into an EWB for about that price. NergizK: Hi Nina! PhilB: Bonjour, Nina. VanceS: right Phil, http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/245 NinaTL: Pleased to meet you, Phil. PhilB: Though I understand there are legal issues with doing that. DennisOl: See this on e-beam: DennisOl: http://www.e-beam.com/education/ VanceS: of course the e-tool box with be a problem BeyzaY: hi Nina RickRo: Does anyone have experience with the Adobe webconferencing tool? RickRo: Hey Nina! MoiraH: Connect Pro? NinaTL: Hey Rick how are you? RickRo: I think so... ClaireB hugs nina RickRo: Hey Nina, doing good; just back from beirut NinaTL hugs Beyza, Nergiz, Claire, Moira, Vance, Dennis, Rick NergizK: Adobe what, Rick? MoiraH: I's expensive and more and more institutions are adopting it VanceS: I think I have used it RickRo: nergiz, I am not sure of the name. It is quite stable though.... VanceS: or participated with it RickRo: I am testing it out now and have access.... MoiraH: It's very cool looking, has a learning curve but is good NergizK: Hm, Adobe is a company that produces various software RickRo: It just seems to take forever to load out in my neck of the world... DennisOl: Are you referring to Acrobat Connect, Rick? VanceS: adobe is not very considerate of machine resources RickRo: dennis, that's it! DennisOl: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobatconnectpro/ NergizK: Ah, OK. Tried it once RickRo: you are so fast on the draw, D! DennisOl: Sometimes, Rick. VanceS . o O ( who was that masked man? ) RickRo: not tonto.... NergizK: Adobe is offering free seminars (some interesting for educators) And they run on Adobe connect MoiraH: Very strange thing just happened - I got a priovate message from Nelba pop up and Nelba is not in this session - any explanations? I answered it and got an error message saying that she was not present. NinaTL: This Johnny Lee clip is amazing! VanceS: Nelba was here RickRo: the problem is that you have to buy the most expensive version to get needed features, like being able to save the sessions DennisOl: Acrobat Connect looks good, but it's pretty expensive for regular use. The per-use option isn't bad ($ .32 per minute is affordable). NergizK: Aren't there less expensive solutions? MoiraH: Adobe and all the big guys are offering more and more free webinars to attract customers in - the competition is hot - some of them can be interesting and others just sales pitches RickRo: there are many other options, but I can use Adobe through work.... ClaireB: must go guys -- I'll try to join you next week from Vegas! NergizK: It's similar to Elluminate and WiziQ, isn't it? NergizK: By Claire. Enjoy it! DennisOl: Take care, Claire. Enjoy the conference! ClaireB left the room (signed off). NinaTL: Vegas, Claire? Don't gamble your life's savings away VanceS: cya claire DennisOl: I was about to ask the same question, Nergiz. MoiraH: RIck, if you can use Adobe through work, go with it and learn it by going with it NinaTL: Too late--she'll be a pauper next Sunday VanceS: walk around town, leave time for it BeyzaY: which conference is it? NergizK: Nina, she said she doesn't like casinos and gamling RickRo: there's time to learn how to count cards too. NinaTL: just kidding DennisOl: The Runtime Developers Conference, Beyza. MoiraH: Adobe is much 'cooler' than Elluminate with pods that you can activate and move around BeyzaY: ahh Ic NinaTL: Hey, are any of you going to be watching ntext Saturday, Pangea Day? DennisOl: Beyza: DennisOl: http://www.runrevlive.com/ NergizK: I would like to Nina VanceS: Bee had asked if webheads were doing anything RickRo: Pangea? VanceS: I tried to herd a few cats her way NergizK: Where are you going to watch it? MoiraH: It's visually more appealing too to the 'Web 2.0' audience NergizK: You are herding cats today, Vance ;-) DennisOl: Pangea Day, 2008: DennisOl: http://www.pangeaday.org/ VanceS: I wonder if webheads could ustream something VanceS: but I think you have to jump thruogh hoops to get in the program NinaTL: Well nothing seems to be happening around here so my only option is my computer VanceS: there is a long list of do's and don'ts BeyzaY: thanks for the link Nina MoiraH: Ah yes, I read about Pangea Day months ago - great but I think you would have had to have done something about it like a year ago ;-) DennisOl: Re Pangea Day, see this: DennisOl: http://www.pangeaday.org/attend_map.php NinaTL: We can just watch some of the videos I think NergizK: Do you think it will be streamed on the Internet? BeyzaY: I need to leave as I have to grade some paragraphs .cya soon VanceS: I'm sure it's streamed (my impression) BeyzaY: Iwon't log out to record the chat BeyzaY: hugs VanceS: Beyza, don't work so hard BeyzaY: I have to NinaTL: yes, streamed on the internet BeyzaY: I teach 24 hours BeyzaY: and grade 50 essaysa week NinaTL: Bayza, not possible! :-) VanceS: a day? BeyzaY frowns BeyzaY: and it's like decoding DennisOl: 50 essays a week? Oy! NinaTL: Excuse me a moment--neighbors stopping by BeyzaY: messages as the sts have no accuracy NinaTL: I will be back BeyzaY: see u all soon guys NergizK: Can't they type it up for you? BeyzaY: have a great week VanceS: sounds liike a job for ... VanceS: PEER FEEDBACK DennisOl: Great idea! NergizK: Would be more effective, too NergizK: learing and timewise DennisOl: Take care, Beyza. Have a wonderful week! VanceS: stay and chat with us, we'll help you set up your peer feedback system DennisOl: Another great idea. MoiraH: with a peer evaluation sheet of the other student's writing, you could save yourself a great amount of work NergizK: And they would probably write more carefully NelbaQ joined the room. MoiraH: Hi Nelba DennisOl: Nelba! Abrazos! NelbaQ: Hi, Moira NelbaQ: back again NelbaQ: connection problems VanceS: not to mention getting them blogging and extending the audience beyond the immediate walls VanceS: and speaking of bloggers, nelba is back NelbaQ: Beyza, here too! NelbaQ: LOL NelbaQ: yes, speaking of bloggers here I am NelbaQ: blogging and at Tapped in at the same time! NelbaQ: sending instructions about how to open DennisOl: Let's hear it for multi-tasking! NelbaQ: a Technorati account to Writing Matrix Reloaded group NelbaQ: Beyza is in the group. NelbaQ: it is great to have her. VanceS: what's a writing matrix reloaded group? NergizK: Yes, what is it? NelbaQ: by the way , I am presenting Writing Matrix in a private univerity in Spanish in Argentina MoiraH: another group, I suppose ;-) NelbaQ: WM is a super blogging project NelbaQ: we are already a very big family, aren´t we, Vance? NelbaQ: We facilitate the blogging experience to students and teacher NelbaQ: s VanceS: and we'll be in Fukuoka to tell people about it NelbaQ: gathering them using web 2.0 tools NelbaQ: yep, don´t miss it! DennisOl: See Nelba's EVC blog: DennisOl: http://englishvirtualcommunity.blogspot.com/ NelbaQ: hey, Dennis . You have my blog address at hand! NelbaQ: thanks :X DennisOl: I found it, Nelba. RickRo: dennis has them all memorized! PhilB: Writing Matrix look HUGE! VanceS . o O ( was that a silver bullet? ) PhilB: looks, even. NelbaQ: Dennis is super! DennisOl: How did you know that, Rick? I thought it was a well-kept secret. NergizK thinks Dennis must be very well organized RickRo: smiles NelbaQ: silver bullet? DennisOl: Not well organized, Nergiz. RickRo: bite the silver bullet? DennisOl: "Faster than a speeding bullet" (about Superman) VanceS: trademark of the Lone Ranger VanceS . o O ( named his horse after his bullets, as I recall ) RickRo: who'd he name Tonto after.... VanceS: didn't mean to distract from the discussion PhilB slips out quietly PhilB left the room (signed off). DennisOl: http://www.fiftiesweb.com/superman.htm DennisOl: Faster than a speeding bullet. DennisOl: More powerful than a locomotive. DennisOl: Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. DennisOl: Look! Up in the sky! DennisOl: It's a bird. It's a plane. It's Superman! NelbaQ: LOL RickRo: superblogger! DennisOl: I think he named Tonto after his cousin Fred, Rick. VanceS: how is the reloaded WM group different from the unloaded one? RickRo: lol VanceS: that was what I was getting at a bit earlier NelbaQ: well, it is different because this group participants are not my students like NelbaQ: in Doris? , Rita's or Sasha's group NelbaQ: they belong to English Virtual Community - an e-group I have moderated NelbaQ: since 2001 RitaZ joined the room. VanceS: yes, but that was the case with the last group, right? NelbaQ: and this year some EVO participants have joined us MoiraH: Hi Rita RickRo: hey Rita! VanceS: and speaking of WM, here's another one NelbaQ: our work is relaxed,,, NergizK: Hi Rita! RitaZ hugs everybody good day RickRo: th best kind of work.... DennisOl: Rita! Abrazos! NelbaQ: I mean I give time to the participants to keep up with the activities RitaZ abrazos grandes, Dennis! NelbaQ: because they are all working adults NelbaQ: Hi, Rita RickRo: nods DennisOl: Pero no 'abrazos rompehuesos'! NelbaQ: WM is another Vance's idea :) RitaZ: nooooooooo ;-) DennisOl: hee hee hee RickRo: Nelba, can anyone participate? NergizK: I know what you mean with .... working adults... everybody is so busy NelbaQ: If any of you would like to participate, you are welcome RickRo: cool! NelbaQ: just send me an e-mail to nelbaq@yahoo.com.ar VanceS: anyone can participate by tagging any blog post 'writingmatrix' NelbaQ: Subject: writing matrix VanceS: writingmatrix, one word NelbaQ: ah, since WM reloaded participants are not my students NelbaQ: we communicate by mail NelbaQ: and chat sessions NelbaQ: that is important NelbaQ: we arrange day and time RickRo: what level of English do the participants have? NelbaQ: suitable for most of us NelbaQ: and meet on line in Yahoo chat NelbaQ: upper intermediate DennisOl: Writingmatrix: DennisOl: http://writingmatrix.wikispaces.com/ NelbaQ: yes, you can find all info at this wiki RitaZ: brb RickRo: beleza! NergizK: How many participants do you have at the moment? CarlaA joined the room. DennisOl: Carla! Abraços! VanceS: it's hard to say because anyone can participate MoiraH: Hi Carla!! VanceS: you don't need a teacher CarlaA: Oi, Dennis and all! Hey, Moira! DennisOl: Oí! VanceS: Hi carla, Ginga! NergizK: Isn't it difficult to communicate by e-mail, then? NergizK: Hi Carla! DennisOl: ¡Viva la ginga! VanceS: they establish contact via blogs NelbaQ: sorry, Nergiz: six DennisOl: (How do you say that in Portuguese?) CarlaA: hahaha, I'm here "gingando" with some brazilian music! RickRo: e ai carla, tudo joia? NinaTL: Hi Carla, Nelba NinaTL: I'm back NelbaQ: Hi, Nina CarlaA: tudo ótimo, Rick! RickRo: faz tempo... RitaZ just wanted to say hi on a nice Sunday morn this end, now need to get going with hubby, for an outing, so say bye to all NinaTL: Sorry, what is ginga exactly?? CarlaA: bye, Rita! RickRo: see ya, Rita DennisOl: Take care, Rita. Enjoy your outing! CarlaA: see ya. NinaTL: Hi/bye Rita! VanceS: I think it's kind of like ganga but all in your mind NergizK: I think it's a Capuera movement MoiraH: -Bye Ritze!! RitaZ hugs everybody and leaves NergizK: ??? NergizK: Bye Rita NinaTL is watching Piloblous on TED DennisOl: Ginga ganga or ganga ginga??? RitaZ left the room (signed off). RickRo: jinga? NinaTL: Pilobolus (sorry) NergizK: Carla, what is it? CarlaA: here, Nina and Nergiz http://explorations.bloxi.jp/a/post-tesol-convention-reflection-the-ginga-movement/ NinaTL: Thanks, will look later CarlaA: Oh, Rick you know all about ginga! RickRo: sei nao? Sou inocente.... CarlaA: heheheh CarlaA: with a Brazilian wife, there's no way you couldn't know about it. Naive?!!! RickRo: Jinga I know about. Ginga no... RickRo: I am just innocent is all.... NelbaQ: Can I ask you a question about blogging? NelbaQ: I am having problems with a person who is leaving commnets NelbaQ: in my blog... and they appear as "dangerous" NelbaQ: kind of virus CarlaA: http://www.soccer-training-info.com/ginga_nike_soccer.asp NelbaQ: this person is not a member of the grup :( VanceS: can you moderate them or delete them? NelbaQ: yes, I delete them NinaTL: Can you set your blog to screen comments before they are posted? Then just delete or spam them NelbaQ: OK , I will RickRo: e jinga! NelbaQ: will the comments appear in my e-mail account firts? NinaTL: yes NelbaQ: thanks Nina :) NinaTL: my wordpress blogs do that NelbaQ: I find wordpress difficult to administrate NelbaQ: even I have one NelbaQ: I prefer blogger NelbaQ smiles CarlaA: and it asks you immedigately, Nelba if you want to approve or spam it NinaTL: I have 2 wordpress blogs. My blogger blogs tend to be temporary, for the length of a class NelbaQ: Ok, thanks NinaTL: The wordpress blogs are ongoing: a student tips blog and a reading blog CarlaA: Nelba, I had the same first impression, but now I love wordpress... NelbaQ: yes, I must explore wordpress better NergizK: I like your student tips blog, Nina NinaTL: I like both but I like being able to categorize in wordpress NinaTL: Also wordpress has pages NelbaQ: yes, it is vry complete. VanceS: categorize? DennisOl: Maybe I should change my "relaxed speech" blog to a wordpress blog. NelbaQ: José DaSilva is an expert. NinaTL: You can set up categories and categorize the psots CarlaA: nina, It's so funny to see how far we've gotten...the other day we didn't even know how to set up a blog, now... CarlaA: Jo NinaTL: In my reading blog I have the following categories: fiction, nonfiction, good for ELLs... DennisOl: Yes, it's truly amazing. NinaTL: Too true, Carla! CarlaA: sorry. José Antônio, Nelba? NergizK: Ask me, Carla. Didn't know any of those tools NelbaQ: José is coming to tell us about wordpress. I have invited him NinaTL: You can see at http://nliakos.wordpress.com CarlaA: is he the one from Brazil? CarlaA: how about you Nergiz? CarlaA: have you just started? NergizK: I have still one personal blog and two very new class blogs NergizK: But my students have no time CarlaA: Nina, do you know that we're planning a book club? JoseD joined the room. JoseD: Hello everyone NinaTL: No, Carla, tell me! I've been turning that idea over in my own mind for a while NinaTL: Hi Jose! JoseD: Hi Nina NergizK: Hi Jose DennisOl: Nina: I saw a documentary on Daniel Tammet. His language-learning ability is incredible. VanceS: hey Jose, good to see you CarlaA: the blogging4educators girls, Nina JoseD: Hi Nergiz DennisOl: José! NinaTL: He is an extraordinary person, Dennis JoseD: Hi Vance good to see you too, CarlaA: we've chosen to start with an Argentinian authour DennisOl: Yes, definitely, Nina. CarlaA: author, i mean NinaTL: You should read "Born on a Blue Day"--it is so facinating JoseD: Great to see so many of you CarlaA: I will! DennisOl: Yes, I'd like to read it. CarlaA: everybody is more than welcome to join NelbaQ: what a blog, NINa! NelbaQ: I love reading NinaTL: Who are "we" Carla? and how does one join? NergizK: Haven't had time to read for pleasure for a long time ... CarlaA: and the idea is to discuss the authors we read on a blog, Nina DennisOl: I have to leave for a few minutes once again . . . . JoseD: Hi CArla JoseD: Hi Dennis CarlaA: jane, Mary hillis, me, Carla raguseo, Cris costa NergizK: How do you decide on which books to read? NelbaQ: well, people, I'd better go. Great to see you all. And you are kindly invited to join Writing Matrix! NinaTL: Do you think a blog is the best platform for discussion? CarlaA: hey, José! NelbaQ: bye! NergizK: Thanks Nelba. bye! NinaTL: Rather than a YGroup or a forum, for example? NelbaQ: bye! have a nice wek NinaTL: Bye Nelba, maybe next year I will, depending on my class JoseD: Nelba I would like to join the writing matrix. How can I join? CarlaA: a blog keeps our thoughts open to others... VanceS: Blog is one kind of discussion NelbaQ: Please, José , send me a mail to nelbaq@yahoo.com.ar JoseD: I agree with Carla NinaTL: What is the book and author? NelbaQ: Subject: Writing Matrix CarlaA: it's a place for conversations, Nina... NinaTL: and the deadline (important) VanceS: there are social netwoking tools associated with / built into blogs NelbaQ: it will be great to have you! CarlaA: The book is The Tunnel from Ernesto Sabato NelbaQ: hey , Sabato is an Argentinian writer NinaTL: Never heard of it! This will be a new experience for me. I haven't read very much South American lit CarlaA: yes, Nelba CarlaA: that's the first book we decided to read NelbaQ: He is a very nice person. CarlaA: me neither, Nina. JoseD: I have had great experience with 21 classess. CarlaA: that's why we decided to do it. NergizK: Did you have a list of books and vote? NelbaQ: He worked for the missing people during the military government NelbaQ: He wrote NUNCA MÁS JoseD: It is kind of social networking with bloggin NinaTL: Who are the prime movers behind the reading club? NelbaQ: well, bye. If I start talking about ARgentina... I will never end. CarlaA: no. We decided we wanted a latin american to start with as Jane was going there to learn spanish NelbaQ: have a great day CarlaA: so, I'm going to read it in Spanish, but there's the english version MoiraH: Bye Nelba :-) NergizK: You, too, Nelba NelbaQ: contact me if you want some recommendation about ARgentinian authors. NinaTL: I don't think I can read it in Spanish! It would take me all summer CarlaA: so, the argentinians suggested some and we went for the tunnel VanceS: nelba wants to know how to upload a chat session to her blog NelbaQ: I love literature and know quite a lot NelbaQ: yes NinaTL: What's it about, generally? CarlaA: nelba, join us! NelbaQ: where, Carla? NinaTL: and what is the url for the blog? CarlaA: I'll send you info. NelbaQ: great VanceS: do you mean upload the file? or upload it how? NinaTL: Okay, thanks CarlaA: it's very informal right now. CarlaA: but will send news NinaTL: I hope I can find time for another book MoiraH: chat session to blog? meebo, toxbox, coveritlive NergizK: Difficult to get English books here NelbaQ: NergizK , where are you from? NinaTL: I read a lot but mostly audiobooks, which I listen to while driving to and from work (about 2 hours per day!) RickRo: I love audiobooks! CarlaA: Nergiz, can you order through amazon? NelbaQ: URL of audiobooks? NinaTL: I suppose you could order from amazon, Nergiz CarlaA: I've never listened to an audiobook!!! NelbaQ: neither have I NergizK: Yes, but I need to pay 14 Euros postage :-( NinaTL: No way, Carla! They are so awesome JoseD: Me neither, CArla. RickRo: nao tem muito em portuguese... NelbaQ: URL of audiobooks? CarlaA: really? I should try it... NinaTL: ouch (@Nergiz) NergizK: It was so much easier in Germany CarlaA: even in English, Rick RickRo: e e uma pena.... there are quite a few in Enlgish but they are costly NinaTL: I am presently reading one of The Sunday Philosophy Club series by Alex. mcCall Smith JoseD: I posted url of audiobooks in my blogs for students, but have never listened to them NelbaQ: URL of audiobooks, please? NergizK: Nina, interesting that you say I'm "reading" :-) RickRo: I wish there were more for free.... CarlaA: take a look at this http://librivox.org/ NinaTL: For students, I think it's helpful to read along as you listen to the audiobook (and it is therefore crucial to have an unabridged audiobook) NelbaQ: I am re reading "Love in the time of Cholera" by Gabriel García Marquez CarlaA: it's an awesome project NinaTL: Yes, Nergiz, my husband insists that I am not "reading" NelbaQ: a lovely love story NelbaQ: one of the best i have ever read CarlaA: nelba, that's what I'm going to suggest to the group next CarlaA: gabriel garcia marques NelbaQ: really! NergizK: I've read a book by G. G. Marquez... don't remember the title NelbaQ: this story is so romantic NinaTL: but I compare it to a blind person "reading" an audiobook. Would s/he specify that s/he had "listened" to War and peace, for example? DennisOl: Librivox: a wonderful site. Thanks for the URL, Carlinha. NelbaQ: I love G,Marquez NelbaQ: Can you download audiobooks to MP3? NinaTL: I read Love in the Time of Cholera years ago but I don't remember anything about it JoseD: http://www.audiobooksforfree.com/screen_main.asp JoseD: Audiobooks NergizK: I don't know, Nina. But it certainly is different from reading a "book" RickRo: I just bought a audo book of lebanese poems in French--it looks good NelbaQ: Nina, you should re read it NergizK: But, if I had to drive 2 hours each day, I would also listen/read to audiobooks :-) NinaTL: When I read (eyes) I tend to read very fast and skip a lot of it but when I listen, I savor every word NelbaQ: how tiring a 2 hour driving way! NinaTL: so I feel I am getting a richer experience through audiobooks DennisOl: Gabriel García Márquez: DennisOl: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1982/marquez-bio.html NergizK: Aren't you distracted by the traffic? NinaTL: The audiobooks make my commuting time a part of the day that I actually look forward to! JoseD: I also drive a little and listen to podcasts on the way CarlaA: I just read "memoirs of my melancholic whores". loved it! NelbaQ: yES, GREAT BOOK too CarlaA: very latin! NelbaQ: I loved NelbaQ: it NinaTL: No, not really; if something comes up that requires my complete attention, I just skip back a couple of tracks and listen again JoseD: I love listening to technometria podcasts or George Siemens pdcasts or conferences NinaTL: I loved Like Water for Chocolate CarlaA: this is a wonderful one, Nina! NergizK: I listen to podcasts when cooking CarlaA: and even the fil is great CarlaA: film, i mean NinaTL: Yes, I couldn't imagine how a film could be made of that book,. but they did a great job CarlaA: they did. NinaTL: I was astounded JoseD: I can´t sit in front of the computer and listen to a whole podcast or conference I prefer to do that while driving NinaTL: me either CarlaA: nina, you should definitely join us. buy the book! NinaTL: I can't listen to audiobooks except when driving, although I sometimes finish them up while cooking CarlaA: Dennis and all, please do so. It would be great. VanceS: I'm like Jose, addicted to podcasts, but while driving NelbaQ: Well, Carla send me the info about your reading project. NelbaQ: I will join you! NinaTL: Cooking and driving are two activities that leave the mind free for listening while keeping the hands occupied JoseD: Please CArla, send the link NelbaQ: Hugs to all, and love from Argentina. Bye!!! NinaTL: I will look for the book at the library NinaTL: Hasta luego, Nelba DennisOl: Yes, do send the link, Carlinha. JoseD: hugs Nelba NelbaQ left the room (signed off). NinaTL: Dennis will you join too? CarlaA: OK. Jane will go back to Canada by the end of this month. We've set up the book club blog, but there's nothing there. So, the first thing is to have the book from Ernesto Sabato, El Tunel or The tunnel. There's a version with English and Spanish, too. DennisOl: I'll think about it. I know I'd enjoy it. NergizK needs to pick up her nephew and entertain him for the rest of the evening ... CarlaA: Nergiz, thanks for joining us in Ning. NergizK: Thanks for inviting me, Carla NergizK: I'll read your book blog when you get started NergizK: Bye all! CarlaA: OK. NinaTL: Gule gule,. Nergiz CarlaA: see you around in cyberspace DennisOl: El Túnel (Sabato): DennisOl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_T%C3%BAnel JoseD: bye Nergiz CarlaA: yes, Dennis NergizK left the room (signed off). NinaTL: What is a porteno painter? DennisOl: Take care, Nergiz. Hoşçakal VanceS: I gotta go too folks JoseD: I have read this book with my students CarlaA: I've read the part that tells about the author background and the historical and economic context of ARgentina when he wrote the book. SergeiG joined the room. CarlaA: Vance, thanks again. Your interview was a blast with my students! JoseD: Bye Vance NinaTL: I want to listen to that interview NinaTL: I need 36 hour days at least CarlaA: nina, it's short but so nice JoseD: By tthe way . I just loved listenign to the interview JoseD: Vance and CArla you did a great job DennisOl: I also enjoyed the interview. CarlaA: I changed the whole week in the course because of it. CarlaA: It was a great week. Students were really curious. JoseD: Carla, your "The Journey" is great. I am an avid reader DennisOl: The pre-interview comments were fascinating. CarlaA: I know you read. Thanks for your feedback! CarlaA: wasn't it, Dennis? I want to write about it. And you need to see what they are commenting on the blog spontaneously. I didn't ask them to do it! DennisOl: Amazing! CarlaA: http://elearningctj.bloxi.jp/a/week-3-abu-dhabi/ NinaTL: So Carla you are teaching a CTJ class while in FL JoseD: Carla, I have just logged into the course 2 day ago. It looks great. I do not have much time to follow it , though CarlaA: yes, Nina! It's been a great learning journey and Dennis and José have been great partners there. I have 40 students JoseD: Too busy with the semester and class observations and preparing for the Fortaleza convention VanceS: bobbi wants me home for sundown CarlaA: I know Jose. VanceS: gotta run or miss it NinaTL: What a great idea Carla CarlaA: Vance, enjoy! VanceS: cya DennisOl: Take care, Vance. All the best to Bobbi, too! NinaTL: and are you still enrolled in your graduate courses? VanceS left the room (signed off). 2008.05.04 07:06:21 Signoff